Set up MacSOUP. Can post but can't read. Details e-mailed to Philippe. Looks like protocol negotiation is breaking down.

Cheers,

Duncan

PS Why has my real name been substituted by duncan@cs.strath.ac.uk - did I make a mistake when signing-up for the support site? I did give my real name as Duncan Smeed?

>Set up MacSOUP. Can post but can't read. Details e-mailed to Philippe. 
>Looks like protocol negotiation is breaking down.

Thank you. We're looking into, and hope to have a fix within 24 hours.

>PS Why has my real name been substituted by duncan@cs.strath.ac.uk - 
>did I make a mistake when signing-up for the support site? I did give 
>my real name as Duncan Smeed?

There was a bug in the signup code. It's been dealt with now, we believe, but existing users can change (or set) their names by going to the members area, and then clicking on the "Preferences" link.

Note that you'll have to do that for every site you belong to. At the least, that's the free-conversant support site, and your own site (just add /members/ onto the end of your site's URL).

Seth

I alos changed the password but once I submitted I got a new authentication prompt - must use your new password then! A wee bit confusing.

You are in a maze of twisty little password challanges... ;-)

Hello,

I'm reading this news group with Multi-Threaded NewsWatcher (<http://www.best.com/~smfr/>) wich is a very cool news reader for the MacOS. Unfortunately, it seems that it doesn't handle HTML well, so I see every ">" instead of '>'.

Well, I'm posting this to also test the system.

The more I look at Conversant, the more I like it, and can't wait for the source code (I need my own Conversant badly for a project I'm working on (BTW thank for making the code available (that's a lots of inner parenthese))).

Conversant is really in lines with the Jon Udell book at O'Reilly ( I just read the first part). Have you thought of demoing Conversant to Udell?

Cheers

-Emmanuel

> Your Free-Conversant site can be accessed via a News client (like > Netscape Communicator, Outlook Express, etc.). You don't have to do > anything to turn this feature on. It's on by deafult, in all sites. > > Just set up a new server in your News client. The domain name for the > server is "free-conversant.com". You'll need to provide your login > information also. All news clients are configured differently, but most > all of them have the necessary settings somewhere in their preferences. > > Once the new server is set up, you should see a list of the Conversant > sites on our server that you are a member of. If you've never signed up > as a member of anybody else's site (including this support site), then > you'll only see one newsgroup: your own. > > Replying to a message in the newsgroup will automatically add a page to > your site on the web, and then your new message will show up in the list > of postings for your newsgroup. > > Congratulations! You're updating your website via a news client! > > (You could say that your newsgroup is managed by a web browser, if you > like.) >

-- Emmanuel M. Decarie Frontier Newbie Toolbox <http://www.cam.org/~emm/frontierNewbieToolbox.html>

> In article (Dans l'article) > <Conversant-248@dns2.macrobyteresources.com>, Seth Dillingham > <seth@macrobyte.net> wrote (ecrivait) : > > Hello, > > I'm reading this news group with Multi-Threaded NewsWatcher > (<http://www.best.com/~smfr/>) wich is a very cool news reader for the > MacOS. Unfortunately, it seems that it doesn't handle HTML well, so I > see every ">" instead of '>'.

Oups, sorry, I see every '<' instead of '<', so I guess you are escaping '<' because you are using XML.

Cheers

-Emmanuel

-- Emmanuel M. Décarie Frontier Newbie Toolbox <http://www.cam.org/~emm/frontierNewbieToolbox.html>

> We were all reading Practical Internet Groupware as we were writing the > software. It was a big part of our design spec.

Ok, I guess Jon Udell will be flattered when he will know that its book inspired such a nice web app.

Oh, also, kudo to the UserLand folk that set the foundations to let this happens.

Cheers

-Emmanuel

-- Emmanuel M. Decarie Frontier Newbie Toolbox <http://www.cam.org/~emm/frontierNewbieToolbox.html>

> >Set up MacSOUP. Can post but can't read. Details e-mailed to Philippe. > >Looks like protocol negotiation is breaking down. > > > Thank you. We're looking into, and hope to have a fix within 24 hours.

Hi, me again!

I did a bit more digging with the help of OTSessionWatcher and discovered that when MacSOUP is configured to just download headers rather than whole articles it works. I can then mark the messages I want to download completely and then get them in a 2nd pass. This is good!

There is still the issue of the protocol exchange breaking down when fetching whole articles in a first pass but I can live with that for the time being. Besides 'headers only' reduces bandwidth consumption.

So, I'm editing this on the train home tonight and keeping my fingers crossed I'll be able to post this later and that it'll be inserted in the correct place in the thread.

This is braw!

Duncan

There is still the issue of the protocol exchange breaking down when fetching whole articles in a first pass but I can live with that for the time being. Besides 'headers only' reduces bandwidth consumption.

Duncan, could you post a transcript of an OTSessionWatcher session where things are breaking? That would make it obvious which command MacSOUP is trying to use that the NNTP server is having trouble with. It's probably a simple matter to add in the command you need.

Sean

Yes, it did which means that there is something on the transcripts that is breaking submissions through the web interface.

Attempt to fetch articles in one pass - MacSOUP 2.4.4 and free-conversant

Here is the TCP Command Log from MacSOUP:

  
< 200 Herald News server ready - posting ok 
> MODE READER
< 500 Command unrecognized: mode
> AUTHINFO USER duncan@cs.strath.ac.uk
< 381 More authentication information required
> AUTHINFO PASS *******
< 281 Authentication accepted
> GROUP free-conversant.support
< 211 164 1 178 free-conversant.support group selected
> XHDR Message-ID 178-178
< 221 header information follows
> QUIT
. (state before: T_DATAXFER)
. OTRcvOrderlyDisconnect
. (state after : T_INREL)
. OTSndOrderlyDisconnect
. (state after : T_IDLE)
. (stream closed)

Corresponding OTSessionWatcher transcript

Note that the following OTSessionWatcher transcript shows the failure to download the bodies and headers in one pass.

[snip]

Receive data (44 bytes).
>00000000> 200 Herald News server ready - posting ok   

Send data (13 bytes).
<00000000< MODE READER  

Receive data (32 bytes).
>0000002C> 500 Command unrecognized: mode  

Send data (38 bytes).
<0000000D< AUTHINFO USER duncan@cs.strath.ac.uk  

Receive data (46 bytes).
>0000004C> 381 More authentication information required  

Send data (23 bytes).
<00000033< AUTHINFO PASS *********  

Receive data (29 bytes).
>0000007A> 281 Authentication accepted  

Send data (31 bytes).
<0000004A< GROUP free-conversant.support  

Receive data (54 bytes).
>00000097> 211 164 1 178 free-conversant.support group selected  

Send data (25 bytes).
<00000069< XHDR Message-ID 178-178  

Receive data (32 bytes).
>000000CD> 221 header information follows  

Receive data (52 bytes).
>000000ED> 178 Conversant-1518@dns2.macrobyteresources.com  
>0000011E> .  

Send data (6 bytes).
<00000082< QUIT  

Fetching only(!) headers (subjects and authors) in MacSOUP 2.4.4

Note that the following transcript shows that the article was downloaded in one pass even though the MacSOUP settings were set not to download the articles. Perhaps it's MacSOUP at fault but I don't think so as it works perfectly when connected to other NNNTP hosts.

The section of the transcript in bold highlights an unrecognised command. This might have something to do with the 'bug'.

I suspect that MacSOUP also automatically tags and fetches messages written by me or written in reponces to one of my posts. This would explain the immediate ARTICLE command without waiting for the 'fetch tagged messages' pass.

[snipped]

Receive data (44 bytes).
>00000000> 200 Herald News server ready - posting ok   

Send data (13 bytes).
<00000000< MODE READER  

Receive data (32 bytes).
>0000002C> 500 Command unrecognized: mode  

Send data (38 bytes).
<0000000D< AUTHINFO USER duncan@cs.strath.ac.uk  

Receive data (46 bytes).
>0000004C> 381 More authentication information required  

Send data (23 bytes).
<00000033< AUTHINFO PASS *********  

Receive data (29 bytes).
>0000007A> 281 Authentication accepted  

Send data (31 bytes).
<0000004A< GROUP free-conversant.support  

Receive data (54 bytes).
>00000097> 211 164 1 178 free-conversant.support group selected  

Send data (15 bytes).
<00000069< XOVER 178-178  

Receive data (35 bytes).
>000000CD> 224 Message Overview Info Follows  

Receive data (212 bytes).
>000000F0> 178 Re: How Do I Access My Site With a News Client?  <duncan@cs.
>00000130> strath.ac.uk> Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:34:01 GMT <Conversant-1518@dns
>00000170> 2.macrobyteresources.com> <Conversant-1512@dns2.macrobyteresourc
>000001B0> es.com> 1538 35  
>000001C1> .  

Send data (13 bytes).
<00000078< ARTICLE 178  

Receive data (96 bytes).
>000001C4> 220 178 <Conversant-1518@dns2.macrobyteresources.com> 
>000001FA> article retrieved - head and body follow  

Receive data (1460 bytes).
>00000224> Subject: Re: How Do I Access My Site With a News Client?  
>0000025E> From:  <duncan@cs.strath.ac.uk>  
>0000027F> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:34:01 GMT  
>000002A4> Message-ID: <Conversant-1518@dns2.macrobyteresources.com>  
>000002DF> Newsgroups: free-conversant.support  
>00000304> Path: localhost  
>00000315> Message-Number: 178  
>0000032A> References: <Conversant-1512@dns2.macrobyteresources.com> 
>00000364> <1e89opy.9i6oxokizf8sN%duncan@cs.strath.ac.uk> <Conversant-468@d
>000003A4> ns2.macrobyteresources.com> <Conversant-464@dns2.macrobyteresour
>000003E4> ces.com> <Conversant-248@dns2.macrobyteresources.com>   
>0000041C> Mime-version: 1.0  

[snip]

>00001374>   
>00001376> .  

Send data (6 bytes).
<00000085< QUIT  

Fetching only headers (subjects and authors) from another NNTP host

MacSOUP TCP Commands Log

*** Fetch news ***
< 200 news-reader1.sol.co.uk InterNetNews NNRP server INN 1.7.2 08-Dec-1997 ready (posting ok).
> MODE READER
< 200 news-reader1.sol.co.uk InterNetNews NNRP server INN 1.7.2 08-Dec-1997 ready (posting ok).
> GROUP comp.arch
< 211 528 44305 44832 comp.arch
> XOVER 44733-44832
< 224 data follows
> QUIT
< 205 .
. (Entering myTCPDisposeStreamPtr - waitForRemoteClose)
. (state before: T_DATAXFER)
. OTRcvOrderlyDisconnect
. (state after : T_INREL)
. OTSndOrderlyDisconnect
. (state after : T_IDLE)
. (stream closed)

Corresponding OTSessionWatcher transcript

[snip]

Receive data (95 bytes).
>00000000> 200 news-reader1.sol.co.uk InterNetNews NNRP server INN 
>00000038> 1.7.2 08-Dec-1997 ready (posting ok).  

Send data (13 bytes).
<00000000< MODE READER  

Receive data (95 bytes).
>0000005F> 200 news-reader1.sol.co.uk InterNetNews NNRP server INN 
>00000097> 1.7.2 08-Dec-1997 ready (posting ok).  

Send data (17 bytes).
<0000000D< GROUP comp.arch  

Receive data (31 bytes).
>000000BE> 211 528 44305 44832 comp.arch  

[note: I only fetched the headers for the last 100 messages]

Send data (19 bytes).
<0000001E< XOVER 44733-44832  

Receive data (1460 bytes).
>000000DD> 224 data follows  
>000000EF> 44733 Re: PC market split Erik Corry <erik@arbat.com> Tue, 
>0000012A> 28 Mar 2000 19:14:47 GMT <8br0h2$msb$2@ec.arbat.com> <8b895e$5e4
>0000016A> @spool.cs.wisc.edu> <8bmsq8$a1q$1@nnrp03.primenet.com> 
>000001A1> <38E0043B.5A6F@ibm.net> <8bqj9r$cho@spool.cs.wisc.edu> 
>000001D8> <8bqpc6$a47@adsl-216-61-138-75.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> 1611 15 Xr
>00000218> ef: news-reader1.sol.co.uk comp.arch:44733   
>00000245> 44734 Re: Why are Suns so slow? "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com
>00000285> > Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:32:34 -0500 <8brfd8$p9u$1@pyrite.mv.net> <
>000002C5> 89jt8m$q62$1@mach.thp.univie.ac.at>    <38d980e0.2173190593@news
>00000305> .ultranet.com>    <8bdjmt$b5a$1@andromeda.camcon.co.uk>    
>00000340> <Pine.GSO.4.21.0003230938050.9464-100000@zen.rite-group.com>    
>00000380> <8bdnt4$ps@crl3.crl.com>    <Pine.GSO.4.21.0003231246260.9464-10
>000003C0> 0000@zen.rite-group.com>    <38dd2fdc.21111546@news.ultranet.com
>00000400> >    <8bk8v2$2tt$2@jetsam.uits.indiana.edu>    <38de7a65.1057282
>00000440> 34@news.ultranet.com>    <8bm3pf$6oa$1@jetsam.uits.indiana.edu> 
>00000480> <2000Mar27.095537.1@eisner>    <38dfc968$0$202@nntp1.ba.best.com
>000004C0> > <8bomtj$g0n$1@pyrite.mv.net> <38e072e5$0$232@nntp1.ba.best.com
>00000500> > <8bqqhg$fgq$1@jetsam.uits.indiana.edu> <38E1079E.51134D70@cogn
>00000540> ent.com> <8brbb1$g92$1@jetsam.uits.indiana.edu> 6114 92 Xref: 
>0000057E> news-reader1.sol.co.uk comp.sys.intel:95045 comp.arch:44734 
>000005BA> comp.sys.sun.misc:20087   
>000005D4> 44735 Re: Why are Suns so slow? JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu 
>00000612> (David Jones) 28 Mar 2000 23:43:56 GMT <8brg3s$f2u$1@charm.magnu
>00000652> s.acs.ohio-state.edu> <89jt8m$q62$1@mach.thp.univie.ac.at>    
>00000690> <

[snipped]

>0000CF7F> .  

Send data (6 bytes).
<00000031< QUIT  

Receive data (7 bytes).
>0000CF82> 205 .  

Fetching tagged messages from another NNTP host

The messages fetched in this transcript were tagged by me and downloaded in a second pass.

MacSOUP TCP Commands Log

  
*** Fetch news ***
< 200 news-reader1.sol.co.uk InterNetNews NNRP server INN 1.7.2 08-Dec-1997 ready (posting ok).
> MODE READER
< 200 news-reader1.sol.co.uk InterNetNews NNRP server INN 1.7.2 08-Dec-1997 ready (posting ok).
> GROUP comp.arch
< 211 528 44305 44832 comp.arch
> ARTICLE 44772
> ARTICLE 44782
> ARTICLE 44795
> ARTICLE 44805
> ARTICLE 44806
> ARTICLE 44807
> ARTICLE 44828
< 220 44772 <954366299snz@amleth.demon.co.uk> article
< 220 44782 <38e239e3@news.victoria.tc.ca> article
< 220 44795 <slrn8e58j4.3j4.kc5tja@garnet.armored.net> article
< 220 44805 <38e2ce53@news.sierratel.com> article
< 220 44806 <slrn8e5jng.5la.kc5tja@garnet.armored.net> article
< 220 44807 <38E2D8D6.2FBE5801@erols.com> article
< 220 44828 <38E3998A.B5345B8F@forth.com> article
> QUIT
< 205 .
. (Entering myTCPDisposeStreamPtr - waitForRemoteClose)
. (state before: T_DATAXFER)
. OTRcvOrderlyDisconnect
. (state after : T_INREL)
. OTSndOrderlyDisconnect
. (state after : T_IDLE)
. (stream closed)

Corresponding OTSessionWatcher transcript

[snip]

Receive data (95 bytes).
>00000000> 200 news-reader1.sol.co.uk InterNetNews NNRP server INN 
>00000038> 1.7.2 08-Dec-1997 ready (posting ok).  

Send data (13 bytes).
<00000000< MODE READER  

Receive data (95 bytes).
>0000005F> 200 news-reader1.sol.co.uk InterNetNews NNRP server INN 
>00000097> 1.7.2 08-Dec-1997 ready (posting ok).  

Send data (17 bytes).
<0000000D< GROUP comp.arch  

Receive data (31 bytes).
>000000BE> 211 528 44305 44832 comp.arch  

Send data (15 bytes).
<0000001E< ARTICLE 44772  

Send data (15 bytes).
<0000002D< ARTICLE 44782  

Send data (15 bytes).
<0000003C< ARTICLE 44795  

Send data (15 bytes).
<0000004B< ARTICLE 44805  

Send data (15 bytes).
<0000005A< ARTICLE 44806  

Send data (15 bytes).
<00000069< ARTICLE 44807  

Send data (15 bytes).
<00000078< ARTICLE 44828  

Receive data (2452 bytes).
>000000DD> 220 44772 <954366299snz@amleth.demon.co.uk> article  
>00000112> Path: news-reader1.sol.co.uk!news.sol.co.uk!news-sender.satin.ne
>00000152> t!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.
>00000192> demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!not
>000001D2> -for-mail  
>000001DD> From: peb@amleth.demon.co.uk ("Paul E. Bennett")  
>0000020F> Newsgroups: comp.arch,comp.lang.basic.visual.misc,comp.lang.fort
>0000024F> h,comp.programming,comp.software-eng  
>00000275> Subject: Re: Excerpt from the Minimal Instruction Set 
>000002AB> Computing list  
>000002BB> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 00 21:44:59 GMT  
>000002DE> Organization: HIDECS Consultancy  
>00000300> Message-ID: <954366299snz@amleth.demon.co.uk>  
>0000032F> References: <38e239e3@news.victoria.tc.ca>  
>0000035B> Reply-To: peb@amleth.demon.co.uk  
>0000037D> X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 954367674 mail2news:12577 
>000003B6> mail2news mail2news.demon.co.uk  
>000003D7> X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net  
>000003F9> X-Mail2News-Path: news.demon.net!amleth.demon.co.uk  
>0000042E> X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30  
>0000045E> Lines: 32  
>00000469> Xref: news-reader1.sol.co.uk comp.arch:44772 comp.lang.basic.vis
>000004A9> ual.misc:321334 comp.lang.forth:30854 comp.programming:79365 
>000004E6> comp.software-eng:44557  

[snipped]

>00003798> .  

Send data (6 bytes).
<00000087< QUIT  

Receive data (7 bytes).
>0000379B> 205 .  

Fetching articles in one pass from another NNTP host

The messages fetched in this transcript were downloaded in one pass.

MacSOUP TCP Commands Log

    
*** Fetch news ***
< 200 news-reader1.sol.co.uk InterNetNews NNRP server INN 1.7.2 08-Dec-1997 ready (posting ok).
> MODE READER
< 200 news-reader1.sol.co.uk InterNetNews NNRP server INN 1.7.2 08-Dec-1997 ready (posting ok).
> GROUP prestel.announce
< 211 0 0 0 prestel.announce
> GROUP comp.arch
< 211 529 44305 44833 comp.arch
> XHDR Message-ID 44833-44833
< 221 Message-ID fields follow
> ARTICLE 44833
< 220 44833 <ydbt3w898x.fsf@UBEblock.psr.com> article
> GROUP prestel.browsers
< 211 0 0 0 prestel.browsers
> GROUP prestel.corporate
< 211 0 0 0 prestel.corporate
> GROUP prestel.fixes
< 211 0 0 0 prestel.fixes
> GROUP prestel.hardware
< 211 0 0 0 prestel.hardware
> GROUP prestel.mac
< 211 0 0 0 prestel.mac
> GROUP prestel.misc
< 211 12 7817 7828 prestel.misc
> XHDR Message-ID 7822-7828
< 221 Message-ID fields follow
> ARTICLE 7822
> ARTICLE 7823
> ARTICLE 7824
> ARTICLE 7825
> ARTICLE 7826
> ARTICLE 7827
> ARTICLE 7828
< 220 7822 <38dde79b.58085700@news.prestel.co.uk> article
< 220 7823 <8bqll6$i65$1@phys-ma.sol.co.uk> article
< 220 7824 <38E1B006.B3C01DB4@stone-initiatives.com> article
< 220 7825 <8bt5gu$p37$1@phys-ma.sol.co.uk> article
< 220 7826 <8btfvu$9q$1@phys-ma.sol.co.uk> article
< 220 7827 <38E33B56.65F1262A@simonides.prestel.co.uk> article
< 220 7828 <38e3733a.3459029@news.prestel.co.uk> article
> GROUP prestel.os
< 211 0 0 0 prestel.os
> GROUP prestel.webspace
< 211 1 3277 3277 prestel.webspace
> GROUP prestel.humour
< 211 1 448 448 prestel.humour
> GROUP prestel.technical
< 211 11 2441 2451 prestel.technical
> XHDR Message-ID 2450-2451
< 221 Message-ID fields follow
> GROUP prestel.test
< 211 2 857 858 prestel.test
> XHDR Message-ID 858-858
< 221 Message-ID fields follow
> ARTICLE 858
< 220 858 <8bu0ka$7pj$1@phys-ma.sol.co.uk> article
> GROUP comp.arch.embedded
< 211 635 68591 69225 comp.arch.embedded
> XOVER 69126-69225
< 224 data follows
> QUIT
< 205 .
. (Entering myTCPDisposeStreamPtr - waitForRemoteClose)
. (state before: T_DATAXFER)
. OTRcvOrderlyDisconnect
. (state after : T_INREL)
. OTSndOrderlyDisconnect
. (state after : T_IDLE)
. (stream closed)

Corresponding OTSessionWatcher transcript

[snip]

Receive data (95 bytes).
>00000000> 200 news-reader1.sol.co.uk InterNetNews NNRP server INN 
>00000038> 1.7.2 08-Dec-1997 ready (posting ok).  

Send data (13 bytes).
<00000000< MODE READER  

Receive data (95 bytes).
>0000005F> 200 news-reader1.sol.co.uk InterNetNews NNRP server INN 
>00000097> 1.7.2 08-Dec-1997 ready (posting ok).  

Send data (24 bytes).
<0000000D< GROUP prestel.announce  

Receive data (28 bytes).
>000000BE> 211 0 0 0 prestel.announce  

Send data (17 bytes).
<00000025< GROUP comp.arch  

Receive data (31 bytes).
>000000DA> 211 529 44305 44833 comp.arch  

Send data (29 bytes).
<00000036< XHDR Message-ID 44833-44833  

Receive data (74 bytes).
>000000F9> 221 Message-ID fields follow  
>00000117> 44833 <ydbt3w898x.fsf@UBEblock.psr.com>  
>00000140> .  

Send data (15 bytes).
<00000053< ARTICLE 44833  

Receive data (1460 bytes).
>00000143> 220 44833 <ydbt3w898x.fsf@UBEblock.psr.com> article  
>00000178> Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel,comp.arch,comp.sys.sun.misc  
[snip]
>0000130D> .  

Send data (24 bytes).
<00000062< GROUP prestel.browsers  

Receive data (28 bytes).
>00001310> 211 0 0 0 prestel.browsers  

Send data (25 bytes).
<0000007A< GROUP prestel.corporate  

Receive data (29 bytes).
>0000132C> 211 0 0 0 prestel.corporate  

Send data (21 bytes).
<00000093< GROUP prestel.fixes  

Receive data (25 bytes).
>00001349> 211 0 0 0 prestel.fixes  

Send data (24 bytes).
<000000A8< GROUP prestel.hardware  

Receive data (28 bytes).
>00001362> 211 0 0 0 prestel.hardware  

Send data (19 bytes).
<000000C0< GROUP prestel.mac  

Receive data (23 bytes).
>0000137E> 211 0 0 0 prestel.mac  

Send data (20 bytes).
<000000D3< GROUP prestel.misc  

Receive data (31 bytes).
>00001395> 211 12 7817 7828 prestel.misc  

Send data (27 bytes).
<000000E7< XHDR Message-ID 7822-7828  

Receive data (336 bytes).
>000013B4> 221 Message-ID fields follow  
>000013D2> 7822 <38dde79b.58085700@news.prestel.co.uk>  
>000013FF> 7823 <8bqll6$i65$1@phys-ma.sol.co.uk>  
>00001426> 7824 <38E1B006.B3C01DB4@stone-initiatives.com>  
>00001456> 7825 <8bt5gu$p37$1@phys-ma.sol.co.uk>  
>0000147D> 7826 <8btfvu$9q$1@phys-ma.sol.co.uk>  
>000014A3> 7827 <38E33B56.65F1262A@simonides.prestel.co.uk>  
>000014D5> 7828 <38e3733a.3459029@news.prestel.co.uk>  
>00001501> .  

Send data (14 bytes).
<00000102< ARTICLE 7822  

Send data (14 bytes).
<00000110< ARTICLE 7823  

Send data (14 bytes).
<0000011E< ARTICLE 7824  

Send data (14 bytes).
<0000012C< ARTICLE 7825  

Send data (14 bytes).
<0000013A< ARTICLE 7826  

Send data (14 bytes).
<00000148< ARTICLE 7827  

Send data (14 bytes).
<00000156< ARTICLE 7828  

Receive data (1484 bytes).
>00001504> 220 7822 <38dde79b.58085700@news.prestel.co.uk> article  
>0000153D> Path: news-reader1.sol.co.uk!not-for-mail  
>00001568> From: martin@REMOVEgrayling.prestel.co.uk (Martin Smith)  
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>00003EF7> Path: news-reader1.sol.co.uk!not-for-mail  
>00003F22> From: "Ron Kelly" <Ron@kellydeletethis.prestel.co.uk>  
>00003F59> Newsgroups: prestel.test  
>00003F73> Subject: Testing 1,2,3  
>00003F8B> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:39:19 +0100  
>00003FB2> Organization: Home/Office use  
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XHDR Message-ID 178-178

Conversant is returning the information, but the Message-ID isn't wrapped up in angle brackets like it is on the other server. This should be an easy fix, as it looks like all that will be needed is to include the angle brackets around the message ID.

Sean